利用Signal群组进行社会活动
Micah Lee提供了一篇优秀的教程，涵盖了一些非显而易见的用例。
标签：社会活动、加密、Signal
发布于：2025年7月10日上午7:08 • 20条评论
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Winter •
2025年7月10日上午7:52
提醒：如果您认为这很重要，请向Signal捐款！链接在应用中。
对用户免费，但运行它需要成本。
Ian Stewart •
2025年7月10日上午11:57
十年前，我们当地有一个社会活动团体，因为地方议会想拆除我们的房屋，为外国投资者建造高端豪华公寓和办公室。由于涉及多样化的群体，当地印刷店印刷了传统的samizdat。然而，一些人扫描并通过电子邮件转发。
当有 diverse 群体时，一些对网络、智能手机或社交媒体不感兴趣的老年人，我认为这是一种更好的方法。
Michael Singer •
2025年7月10日下午12:40
我认为如果Micah Lee不反复使用像“以色列种族灭绝”这样的谬误语言，他会更有可信度。
Shoal Creek •
2025年7月10日下午12:54
我相信Michael Singer没有遵守 moderation 政策，就像这条评论没有遵守 moderation 政策一样。Michael Singer的整个评论只不过是对文章作者的 weak 攻击，没有数据支持他的 claim。他的评论没有推动关于Signal及其使用和/或安全影响的讨论。我期望根据 moderation 政策删除这条评论和Michael Singer的评论。
Wild River •
2025年7月10日下午1:37
@Shoal Creek,
Michael Singer的 claim 是，如果一个人使用 loaded 语言（如您的示例），会 turn away 另一半不订阅它的人。虽然他们声称 specific 术语是 fallacious，这是一个 value-judgment 我不需要介入，但客观上它确实会 turn away 不同意的人，这可能不会 contribute to Micah Lee的议程，除非该议程仅针对志同道合的人 security，我宁愿给他 benefit of the doubt，因为我相信您不仅仅是Micah Lee masquerading，试图使用您 questionable on it’s merits 和 definitively subjective interpretation of the moderation policy 来 censor 一个您不喜欢的 opinion 🙂
Eric •
2025年7月10日下午1:58
很可能任何使用此类群组进行社会活动的示例都会得到一些人的“批准”和其他人的“不批准”。这并不使示例本身 invalid。
Clive Robinson •
2025年7月10日下午2:13
@所有在英国的人，
正如其他人 and the referenced article 已经 brought up a certain conflict and people that might believe in free speech about it…
您应该 all be aware of, and take caution that,
英国部长 including Yvette Cooper 的 very much “on the take” actions，他们声称一个 protest group 是 terrorist organisation。
虽然我可能不同意 protest group 的 actions，但我看不到任何 legitimate reason 称他们为 terrorists unlike those working for the politicians。
无论如何，mentioning the now “proscribed group” by name 技术上是一种 serious crime…所以 how I caution against it without mentioning them 是那些 arise with major abuses of power by politicians 的事情之一…
所以我将 just link to Minister Yvette Cooper’s own words made in the UK “Commons parliament” as justification for the “on the take” actions that she and other ministers profit by,
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-06-23/debates/25062337000014/PalestineActionProscription
The idiot. •
2025年7月10日下午3:29
我的问题是，虽然所有安全措施都是真实的，但我读过 cases where secure means of communication were created and ran by monitoring agencies then marketed well。我觉得您不能 reasonably trust any major platform you didn’t create yourself for that reason。
（至少，如果您有 reason to distrust your current government）
Winter •
2025年7月11日上午1:42
@the i
我觉得您不能 reasonably trust any major platform you didn’t create yourself for that reason。
您的建议是 self defeating。
如果您创建了 communication platform yourself，您建议您想与之沟通的人不要使用它。
如果他们创建了它，您不会使用它。
那么如何沟通？
您的建议 only benefits the persecutors。所以也许我们不应该 trust your advice。
但没有 trust，为什么我们应该沟通？
lost •
2025年7月11日上午2:19
Micah没有 credibility to teach about OPSEC。
https://www.mintpressnews.com/bad-track-record-gets-worse-new-whistleblower-outed-intercept/239822/
Winter •
2025年7月11日上午7:13
@lost
Micah没有 credibility to teach about OPSEC。
我找不到您的 accusation and the link you supplied 之间的 connection。
您能 bothered to give some supporting evidence吗？
Clive Robinson •
2025年7月11日上午10:26
@ Winter,
关于您对@lost的评论，
“我找不到您的 accusation and the link you supplied 之间的 connection。”
那是因为@lost没有阅读文章。
对此和其他相关站点的检查显示了一个“concerted plan” to “dish dirt” on behalf of a clique within a national government that war mongers very frequently。
因此我怀疑@lost是一个 payed for troll just cutting and pasting from some well heeled script supplier。
我们看到 such well heeled funders in the UK slipping tens of thousands at a time into the “pockets” of UK ministers who many call “Blairites” but other words are rather more appropriate。
So many have been caught taking money or gifts in ways to get around regulations, it’s clearly not “accidental” but quite deliberate enrichment for political favours and the like。
Clive Robinson •
2025年7月11日上午10:28
@ Winter,
关于您对@lost的评论，
“我找不到您的 accusation and the link you supplied 之间的 connection。”
那是因为@lost没有阅读文章。
对此和其他相关站点的检查显示了一个“concerted plan” to “dish dirt” on behalf of a clique within a national government that war mongers very frequently。
因此我怀疑@lost是一个 payed for troll just cutting and pasting from some well heeled script supplier。
我们看到 such well heeled funders in the UK slipping tens of thousands at a time into the “pockets” of UK ministers who many call “Blairites” but other words are rather more appropriate。
So many have been caught taking money or gifts in ways to get around regulations, it’s clearly not “accidental” but quite deliberate enrichment for political favours and the like。
Anonymous •
2025年7月11日上午10:29
在鹿特丹的六月审判中，一名43岁男子承认从ASML复制文件并使用Signal messaging app发送给俄罗斯的一个人。
我不知道这是如何被发现的。
https://apnews.com/article/asml-netherlands-espionage-chips-e34383a9156895967828c60d40b3cfb7
lurker •
2025年7月11日下午1:46
@lost
不知道关于Micah，但您链接的故事属于下一个关于Tradecraft的线程…
Clive Robinson •
2025年7月11日下午2:21
@ lurker,
关于您对@lost的评论，
“…但您链接的故事属于下一个线程…”
问题是“检查日期和时间，
1, Lost posts = 2025年7月11日上午2:19
2, Bruce post = 2025年7月11日下午12:06
Nearly half a day preceding as @Winter will probably confirm。
The idiot •
2025年7月15日晚上8:13
@ winter
Just train one semi competent coder per group of known allies, pull rocket.chat or create a similar vetted thing, keep your network closish. most likely, less likely though if your pulling open source it can of course be compromised. Haha
Just to avoid the bigger net and have a small working encrypted communication network。
I’m an idiot who knows nothing, haha. Don’t mind me。
Winter •
2025年7月16日上午1:48
@The Intelligence Challenged Person
Just train one semi competent coder per group of known allies, pull rocket.chat or create a similar vetted thing, keep your network closish。
这听起来像ANC在南非开发的非常成功的 scheme。[1]
它非常 secret&secure，需要 specialists 开发、培训和一个 sizeable organisation 部署。
如您的计划，它只能 serve a rather limited group of people, who were already organized at a rather high cost。
另一方面，Signal以非常低的成本 per connection 连接数百万 unorganized lay people without training。
所以，您尝试让您的系统上线，连接您 well know 的人。我将使用Signal并与 whomever I want 沟通，无需事先组织。
[1] ‘https://www.news.uct.ac.za/article/-2024-01-22-the-secret-communications-network-that-helped-end-apartheid
Clive Robinson •
2025年7月16日上午6:42
@ Winter, et al,
关于“Operation Vula”，它在2013年底左右变得更加公开。部分原因是那些 involved 的人已经达到退休年龄，并 felt the need to “correct the historians” and their false assumptions given as though facts（不 uncommon to happen hence the slew of WWII info in the 70’s and 80’s）。
历史以几种方式看待Operation Vula，但 one thing they have probably got right was,
“It was too little too late”
And although effective at what it did, the need for it had passed for a whole number of reasons。
Also as has been pointed out the release of information appeared coincident with the drip drip release of bad news about the ANC internal conflicts and actual violence of power struggles。
The thing most do not realise is that those 8bit home/business computers of the 1980’s are way way more secure than anything you could reasonably buy post 1995。
They did not contain “radio systems” and they did not contain “Flash Memory” nor importantly did they have “semi mutable memory” like hard drives。
So once turned off and the cassette tape / micro drive or floppy disk was removed and in effect destroyed there was no real “physical evidence” that could be used。
Unlike modern PC’s that are designed from the ground up to betray you at every level, because private information is seen as currency by rather more than Government guard labour intelligence / counter-intelligence / security agencies。
It’s why I call current AI LLM and ML systems the worst form of surveillance tool so far pushed out by the “Silicon Valley Corps” like Alphabet/Google, Meta, Microsoft and even Apple。
Operation Vula was a system in a particular point in time。
For instance back then telephone boxes were on nearly every street corner in town thus having them to use randomly gave security. The modern mobile phones that have replaced them give no such security。
Likewise the Internet has destroyed the advantages of international phone calls, that although “circuit switched” were to difficult to trace back effectively. Where as TCP… you effectively have a back trace from the initiation of the first ACK, even though it is packet switched。
If people were to try to do an Operation Vula today they would do it very very differently to then。
As I’ve mentioned before I used to once run my own “Pirate” look-alike “Numbers Station” for “other reasons”. It was down in the 6Mhz “49 meter broadcast” band that used to provide good coverage at low power and because it had little “ground wave” was difficult to DF (look up NVIS as to why)。
As the generator, I used an Apple ][ and early “voice card” I’d designed that just sat there making hour after hour of “numbers” to low cost cassette tape. I later did similar with a 386 PC as it did not need a voice card, just pushed out “.WAV” files in a basic format. A friend did a version for a BBC model B that they had access to。
Oh the thing about “DTMF” is they are really not at all nice to work with as they don’t have a nice sound envelope for various “technical reasons”。
But they were in use to send messages long before Operation Vula, by certain terrorist organisations to send “bomb warnings” to News Paper “news desks” and the like thus serving a triple purpose,
1, Keeping journalists in the primary loop。
2, Providing a cut-out from authorities。
3, Ensuring that warnings were made public。
Also they could be sent in less than a minute from any phone or importantly “telephone pair”。
Because in rural areas quite often phone wires remained above ground and thus could be tapped onto。
Likewise in built up areas there were “frame boxes” on street corners where putting a tap in on a random pair was trivial。
Likewise in the major towns and above with tower blocks you could do the same in the basement frame room。
Look up a device called “A Pole Job” it was a way to do a random connection remotely and could be quite sophisticated. But these to are passing into history, their time from the 1960’s to 2010’s now effectively passed. Much like their brethren of the “infinity bug”。
Yvette Cooper •
2025年7月16日上午7:37
我支持Palestine Action。这是我不打算下次在英国时大声说出来的事情。
我也会带一个“burner”手机。最便宜的android我能找到，不同的sim，卸载/停用 most crap，安装FOSS alternatives。没有 messaging apps 安装。
我的 regular phone 将留在家里。